In this heartfelt episode of The FND Podcast, Detty welcomes back the inspiring Tiarne, who bravely shares her personal journey of returning to work while living with Functional Neurological Disorder (FND). From the early days of navigating symptoms and mobility aids to finding the balance between part-time work and self-care, Tiarne opens up about the realities, challenges, and victories of employment with a chronic condition. Whether you’re considering re-entering the workforce, looking into volunteering, or simply curious about how others manage FND in the workplace — this conversation is filled with honesty, insight, and encouragement. Tiarne reminds us that pacing, self-awareness, and finding supportive environments can make all the difference. We also talked about – Flexible working arrangements – Managing symptoms on the job – Advocating for your needs – What really matters when you’re living with FND – The power of purpose and doing what you love A huge thank you to Tiarne for being so open and sharing her lived experience working with FND Don’t forget to check out the show notes for helpful resources and past episodes, including Tiarne’s My FND Reality and our insightful chat with Katherine Gill from FND Australia Support Services on returning to work. As always — stay safe, love hard, and peace. See you on the flip side
In this heartfelt episode of The FND Podcast, Detty welcomes back the inspiring Tiarne, who bravely shares her personal journey of returning to work while living with Functional Neurological Disorder (FND). From the early days of navigating symptoms and mobility aids to finding the balance between part-time work and self-care, Tiarne opens up about the realities, challenges, and victories of employment with a chronic condition.
Whether you’re considering re-entering the workforce, looking into volunteering, or simply curious about how others manage FND in the workplace — this conversation is filled with honesty, insight, and encouragement. Tiarne reminds us that pacing, self-awareness, and finding supportive environments can make all the difference.
We also talked about
– Flexible working arrangements
– Managing symptoms on the job
– Advocating for your needs
– What really matters when you’re living with FND
– The power of purpose and doing what you love
A huge thank you to Tiarne for being so open and sharing her lived experience working with FND
Don’t forget to check out the show notes for helpful resources and past episodes, including Tiarne’s My FND Reality and our insightful chat with Katherine Gill from FND Australia Support Services on returning to work.
As always — stay safe, love hard, and peace. See you on the flip side
To work or not to work with FND that is the real question. It's a hard one to gauge and safely decide and it's definitely not for everyone. Here's a short conversation we have with Katherine Gill from Australia Support Services and also a sneak preview to the upcoming episodes. click here to listen to this episode
To listen to Tiarnes FND Journey and her FND REALITY episode CLICK HERE
This Episodes notes:
Job Access : the guide to disability employment : click here for more details
Disability support services Australia in Victoria click here for more details
Employment programs: disability *Aus government.
Returning back to work presentation on FND Australia Support Services Channel : Click here for more details
Transitioning from school to work with a disability: click here for more details
If you feel like you would like to Volunteer in Australia : click here for more details
Caitlins story with FND and work :
If needing to more information and support on working with a disability here is the Fairwork Ombudsman information : click here for more details
Note: the links are related to those in Australia however it is a good idea to look up your disability supports in your country. Here are a few that I've found so far however there is more out there :
For USA from what I could see : Job Training and programs for people with a disability
Americans with Disability Act : protecting people with disabilities from discrimination
Office for disability employment policy click here
For Canada: Canadian Association for Supported Employment click here
Canada employment Strategy for Canadians with disabilities click here
For England: Employment disability rights click here:
Careers and work for disabled people from Disability rights UK click here
Ability Net : Information about Disability and Employment
Music used in this Podcast is from Soundstripe : licensed for use
Lets be three by Sam Marsh
Just like me by Thruline
Light the way by Ian Kelosky
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Thankyou for listening to the FND PODCAST we are not sponsored by these organizations however they do tremendous work in the FND community.
FND AUSTRALIAN SUPPORT SERVICES :https://fndaus.org.au/fnd-symptoms/
A wonderful resource for people in Australia with FND: from reasearch into FND, finding medical specialists and services and just information about FND. Solely dedicated to all things FND and helping those with FND in Australia.
IF you would like to support FND Australia Services and would like to have a look at some merchandise click here
FND ACTION : https://www.fndaction.org.uk
FND Action is a patient-led charity who offer a caring and supporting hand to people living with Functional Neurological Disorder (FND) in the UK.
FND GUIDE. :https://neurosymptoms.org/en/
A website all things Functional neurological Disorder written by Professor Jon Stone who is the leading FND researcher and Consultant Neurologist in Edinburgh, ScotlandDr Mohsin Butt is an excellent doctor who explained what FND is perfectly click here to watch his explanation
FND DIMENSIONS: http://fnddimensions.org/
FND Dimensions aims to develop a network of ‘peer support groups’ across the UK either in face to face meetings or online via methods such as Skype. By bringing people together on a regular basis, this helps alleviate the isolation that many FND patients feel. It also gives opportunity for others to open up dialog and to talk to others in a similar position about the day to day challenges, issues or concerns with one another. They have an amazing FND Survival Kit click here to have a look
RewiredOT (click here to check it out) is a compassionate, educational resource hub created by an Occupational Therapist Jason Kruzeman. It offers a unique blend of clinical knowledge and personal insight, focusing on nervous system regulation, sensory processing, and trauma-informed support for people living with FND and other complex conditions.
The website provides accessible guides, tools, and reflections that help people better understand their body’s responses, build safety into daily life, and work with—not against—their nervous system.
Rather than pushing through or "fixing" symptoms, RewiredOT encourages gentle curiosity, pacing, and self-kindness—a refreshing and validating approach for anyone navigating FND.
Whether you're newly diagnosed or looking to deepen your understanding, RewiredOT is a safe, thoughtful space that meets you where you are.https://www.neurokid.co.uk/\
A website for young people and families living with NEAD and neurological symptom
Amazing website with information and links to fnd
Information on Non Epileptic Seizures or NEAD
https://www.sth.nhs.uk/clientfiles/File/Epilepsy/pil2072.pdf
The FND Podcast song of the week:
U & I by Kolidescopes click to listen here
Just a really uplifting song
Here re two essential reads on FND that are highly recommended by Chrissie and now myself Click on the titles to gain access on the articles.
The Cadenza for fractured consciousness From Medium.com on the fnd portal
The Road to Functional Neurological Disorder by Gabriel Brownstein
The published research Paper on FND by Haseel Bhatt
FND is not fake or Malingering
Just a quick reminder that while we love sharing insights and stories here, this podcast is for informational and entertainment purposes only. It’s not meant to be medical advice tailored to your specific needs. We always encourage you to chat with your GP or a medical professional regarding any health concerns or questions you may have.
Detty: [00:00:00] The FND podcast would like to begin by acknowledging the traditional owners of the land on which we meet today, their continuing connection to land, waters, and community. We would also like to pay our respects to the people, the cultures, and elders past and present.
Tiarne: Um, I just do something you love.
You, you love doing that. It doesn't feel like it's work. Yes. Even volunteering, like at a place, like you don't necessarily have to get paid employment, but I think even volunteering, would help too. And just pace yourself.
Detty: You're listening to the FND podcast where we're talking all things FND.
Hey there, I'm Detty and welcome back to the FND podcast where we have real honest [00:01:00] chats about life with f and d or functional neurological disorder. I hope you're doing well wherever you are in the world right now in this episode. We're welcoming back the lovely Tian, and she's joining us to share her journey of heading back into the workforce while living with FND.
A topic that hits close to home for so many of us. Now, let's be real. For a lot of people with FND working can feel completely out of reach, but for some, there might be opportunities to volunteer or. Ease back into employment or in other cases just feel the pressure of having to return to work even though it's really tough.
So if you are thinking about returning to work, make sure you check out the previous episode where we spoke with Katherine Gill from FND Australia Support Services and we covered how. To return to the workforce safely and what to keep in mind. So the link is in the show notes, [00:02:00] and a huge thank you again to Tian for opening up and sharing her lived experience, especially with working with FND.
It means the whole world. So thank you. Thank you, thank you. So without further ado, let's just dive right in. Here is Tiarne um, this is my friend Tiarne and she has FND as well, but she's also recently gone back to work. Yeah. Can you tell us the story of how you ended up going to work with FND?
Tiarne: So, after an overseas trip in September, October in 2020.
I came back with feeling very different within myself. Felt like I could do a lot more. I was still using a wheelchair at that stage. That's a pretty significant thing because I haven't been using a wheelchair since January. So how did I get back into work? So in December, 2024, decided I needed to do something.
I was getting bored at [00:03:00] home, getting quite depressed, felt kind of I needed to get out there and do more. I really wanted to get into the. But my skillset is mostly admin, working in federal government positions, I felt like I would be suited better within another department to try and educate people on having a disability and working.
So I ended up at an agency, just a small contract, but that lasted three months. That was really hard in terms of trying to manage work. Um, I was full time. And there were times where my body was like, what are you doing?
Detty: Yeah.
Tiarne: Um, I got really unwell. Um, so the first two weeks I was fine and then I just, my body was like, what are you doing?
This is really unusual. And yeah, I got really unwell. It's been a juggle, juggle. I've got a permanent role [00:04:00]within another agency, um, working admin. Uh, been there for nearly a year in July, so that's
Detty: exciting. That is exciting. Well, I would think that perhaps maybe when you have FND, especially at the very beginning when you are newly diagnosed, you don't think that you could actually do anything with feeling so unwell with the condition that we have, however, it seems as though you've overcome it.
How did you deal with all the symptoms as they presented themselves at work? Like, there must have been instances where like your FND flared up at work and you kind of went, okay. Um, it
Tiarne: kind of, it, it has, but it hasn't, like, there are times where it has flared up, but I've had my wheelie walker with me.
So for example, I, in the mornings I would know kind of my body would give me a feeling I'm not, I'm. Um, so I would have [00:05:00] to bring in my Wheelie Walker, but it's gotten to the stage where I've actually had to go part-time.
Yep.
Tiarne: Um, and to work from home, um, two days a week. So I'm only going into the office twice a week.
And so, which has worked really well. I've been doing that for a month now, and.
So, for example, Mondays I work from home. Tuesday I go into the office. Wednesday I have a day off. Mm-hmm. Thursday I work from home. Fridays I go into the office. So I feel like I'm resetting every Wednesday to be able to, and it feels like a new week for me, like a new weekday, even though I'm going back to.
Like, get up at normal time, do what I need to do, and then work from home. It's just so much easier not having to travel into work. Because [00:06:00] you don't realize even the, even just traveling is um, can be a strain on your body. Oh yeah. Regardless of whether you have a disability or not. I think, and just managing work.
Regardless of whether you have a disability or not is hard. Like my colleagues, they're really supportive in terms of, they, they, they haven't asked very many questions. Like I have explained to them that I do use an aide.
Mm-hmm.
Tiarne: I haven't, I've only had to use my Wheelie Walker once or twice since I, um, been working part.
It's so much better for me.
Detty: Yes.
Tiarne: So yeah,
Detty: I guess that's one of the big things, um, in regards to working right with this condition is just knowing where your limits are. So I guess if you go full time, you don't really, or when you start off, you don't really know what your capabilities are, so, correct.
Tiarne: Yeah.
Yeah. So when I, the first department [00:07:00] going and.
And I felt, even though I'd been in a government position for over 10 years, I still felt brand new. And it was just kind of daunting to me having a disability and trying to manage that.
Mm. And
Tiarne: I thought, oh yeah, I'll go back full time. I, I'm able to do this. And then all of a sudden I was like, yeah, no, I can't do this all time.
Yeah.
Detty: No, that's good. At least you recognize that, Hey, it's too much for me. I need to back off. And you're quite right, like, you know, just breaking up the week as well will help you. Are you kind of, mm-hmm. Is this like, um, pacing, pacing yourself at work? Pretty much? Yeah. Pretty,
Tiarne: pretty much. Yeah. And I've also kind of, um, I, I do the hours.
A role where I'm able to work between the hours of 7:00 AM and 7:00 PM mm-hmm. So I'm an early starter, so I tend to start [00:08:00] early and then finish early. So then some days I'm finished by three o'clock in the afternoon and then I've still got the afternoon to be able to relax for a little bit. And then it, so it's like the work I do, I feel like I don't do work.
So not stressful on my. So,
Detty: so finding a job that you can actually, um, do that you are, that you like doing well, that always helps. Yeah.
Tiarne: But yeah. Yeah. Mind you, there are days where I'm really tired and it's like, oh, like there are days where I've actually worked from home and it's like, well, no, my body, I need to take pain.
I need,
yeah, organizations.[00:09:00]
You don't have into personal detail about exactly what happens, but I think what's fortunate for me is that my manager also has a chronic illness, so she understands. Understands,
yeah.
Tiarne: Whereas my previous area where I worked agency where I worked before had no idea. Like I, it was interesting. I walked in with my walker and they kind of looked at me and went, oh, okay.
It kind of made me feel like I couldn't move, walk anywhere.
And
Detty: that's what, yeah. Yeah. I was just gonna say, well, in those situations, right, where the employees or your boss, or, no, not the employees, but the boss doesn't know, you know, no one knows about your condition. Yeah. Did you have to explain what you had, what your um, what your limitations are?
Tiarne: No, not really.[00:10:00]
I.
Say too much. No, you don't. I do. I, why I say way too much information to people. So it's more like they have an understanding. Like, for example, I say that I'm like, my legs can be numb. Like they're burning all the time. Um, I struggled to walk and things like that. I've also explained to them that if I feel like a situation is gonna, like if my legs, because I, I drive and I have, and I've been driving for over a year.
Yep. And that's what I think changed. It kind of made me realize that I can do a lot more because I'm going back to not, not back to the way I.
Little bit, but a bit more, um, grateful for what I have. Yes. And knowing what the limitations are. I think that's what having FND has helped.
Mm-hmm.
Tiarne: It's [00:11:00] made me realize what's really important and like there are days where it's kind of like, oh, it's how I was explaining with the whole, you know, driving to work.
If I feel like I have to, um, I can't drive back home because of my legs, I'll get my husband or get an. So that's not a problem. But, but there are days where I know it's like, well, I can't go into the office. Like, for example, recently, um, I was working from home, had really bad back pain, ended up in hospital and had an FND flare up.
And then the following week I should have been going into work and I was like, sorry, I can't because I can't walk around the house. And they're, well, I.
That helped immensely because it was like I could still work, but I just couldn't physically work in the office. Yeah. So I hadn't started to work from home the two days.
Detty: Yep. So, [00:12:00] so it's more or less the flexibility was a godsend for you as well.
Tiarne: So, and also too, if, and not, don't be
on how, how?
You exactly what's going on. Um, so yeah, I think there's,
Detty: like, I, I said that before, but I was going to myself. I don't think you really have to disclose absolutely everything to No. Your employer
Tiarne: No, you don't.
Detty: No. Unless, unless you are more prone to having seizures and blackouts. That's right. Yeah. Then you would have to say, look, this is what I'm prone to, and also what to do in that situation.
That's exactly right. Like if they have
Tiarne: more information, um, the better. Um, I think that would help. But you don't have to disclose everything because it's your [00:13:00] per like, you know, everyone is entitled to have some privacy when it comes to work.
Detty: Yes.
Tiarne: Um, so, but I just feel like that.
So like my managers, I've had
issues, been you. I'm, I'm all relatively new, like they're changing certain ways at work too because the, like I have to go around corners at work and there are times where I've used my Willy walker and I feel like I'm gonna hurt someone because so many people in a hurry to get where they need to get.
Detty: Yes. So you mean to say you nearly had like a head on collision basically? Pretty much,
Tiarne: yes.
Detty: Yeah.
Tiarne: So yeah,
Detty: you almost need those, um, whatcha call it, those mirrors on the wall, you know? Well, that's what
Tiarne: they're doing. Oh, really? That's exactly what, yes. So [00:14:00] I was able to access job access and they're able to, um, they were able to come in and do a, like a, like a scenario, not a scenario, but kind of look at what I'm doing, how I'm doing it, what, um, disability, um, needs.
I.
Plus I have a HS person as well that we've got a really good relationship in terms of she knows exactly what I need. And so we've had long discussions about that. So it's good to know that someone's there to say, Hey, this is what I need, this is how I'm going. So, yeah.
Detty: Yeah. Well, I've only got two more questions to ask.
Yeah, that's fine. Uh, but basically what advice would you give to a person with FND who is wanting to work?
Tiarne: I just, it do something. You love. Something. I would say do something that you try something new, but do something that you love [00:15:00] doing that it doesn't feel like it's work. Yes. Um, even volunteering, like at a place, like you don't necessarily have to get paid employment, but I think even volunteering, um, would help too.
I don't, and go full gung ho and go, because one of my nos was, no, I'm not gonna work full time. And I did. I started working fulltime off the bat, thinking that's what was expected of me to be able to hold a position. Right? Whereas in the long run, it was like, well, this is not where I really wanna be. This is not what I really wanna do.
I feel like I. Not being my true self. So that's why I was kind of grateful I was able to move to another agency that was willing to be able to, um, go part-time. Um, but also, yeah, pace yourself. Um, and [00:16:00] don't feel bad about, I know this is coming from someone that feels bad every time they have time off.
Detty: Yes, I've got guilt all the time.
Tiarne: Yeah. Um,
Detty: yeah,
Tiarne: but, and try not to bring work home, like in saying that, you know, like, yes, I do work from home, but I'm in my garage. Yes. So I just, as soon as the garage door is closed in the afternoon I turn, I do something else.
Detty: Yeah. So it is completely switch off. Yeah.
Tiarne: Yeah.
And don't. You could only go in a day like, and you, and like I'm trying to, um, help my agency, um, with a.
You know, they're working on it, but, you know, be able to like help with that as well.
Detty: Mm-hmm.
Tiarne: So,
Detty: yeah. Exciting there. [00:17:00] Well, I was just thinking, um, what you are also saying is go within your capabilities, your physical capabilities, be realistic about it before applying. I mean,
Tiarne: put yourself out there.
So most, um, like I'm quite fortunate that I work in federal government where they really can't discriminate against me. Yes. Some, I know some people have been discriminated against. Yes. Um, regardless of whether their federal government or not. And that's really unfortunate. Mm-hmm. Um, but I'm just grateful that I haven't, I, for an agency that's very supportive, um, that understand, um.
Yeah. Yeah. So like for example, this year I've already had a month off because I've been unwell. Mm. So nearly a month off. Not, not consistently because of, [00:18:00] um, being unwell. That's not a good thing in some people's eyes. But I also kind of, I think I'm, but I'm also kind of glad I've got a job because I kind of remind people.
Because, and I say, I tell them my story, that I was literally stressed all the time, working full time, stressed, gonna work, stressed at home.
Mm-hmm.
Tiarne: Because of what was going on. And then my body just went, no, that's enough. And then, yeah, I had FND didn't work for four years and now, and I never thought I'd work again.
Yes. I was told I'd never work again.
Detty: But you're, look at this. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. That's amazing. I was just thinking, um, back when you were saying you realized, uh, with this condition, what's important? Yeah. Can you elaborate more on that? What's important? Like,
Tiarne: um, so prior to having FND was always about [00:19:00] what's the next best thing?
What, like, what do I need to. Um, I feel like it kind, having FND has made me stop and realize what's important, such as family. Yes. Friends. Um, not all the materialistic things. Um, the fact that, you know, it kind of made me realize that because.
Grateful. I'm able to walk outside and be able to see the sun on my face, be able to stand and have a shower some days. Whereas I know some people aren't unable to do that. Mm-hmm. I was at one point where I wasn't able to and that was horrible. But I'm able to do that on days where I can. Yeah. Um, grateful for the fact that yes, my legs, I do this condition, but [00:20:00] I still have days of.
It's okay to have bad days. It's okay to have rest days. Um, so for example, with, in terms of the reason why I also went part-time is because yes, I was working full-time, but every weekend I was stuck in bed recovery. I wasn't able to, yeah, pretty much my body was like, you need to lay in bed. And I was like, oh, okay.
This is not working for me. And still going back into work doing the fulltime thing. It got to the stage where it was like, yeah, I can't do this anymore, but now I'm grateful for rest days. I know when my body needs a rest. And so yeah, I'm, I'm just very fortunate that, um, I have the support of my husband and my kids.
They're a lot older now. Um, so it's been a while since I've been diagnosed over five years, which [00:21:00] is crazy. I
Detty: was just recounting that like the other day I was going, oh, hang on. When was I diagnosed? Sorry, six years. Sorry. Around about 2018. 19, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the same time as well, and I'm going, oh, has it been that long?
It's just gone like that,
Tiarne: but yeah.
Detty: Yeah.
Tiarne: Yeah, I don't dwell on the negative things anymore. Mm. Um, and also too, my circumstances, I'm, because I'm not medication, so when I was diagnosed, I so much medication that made my head feel like. I couldn't have hold a constant. I couldn't hold a conversation. I wasn't able to retain a lot of information.
Right. And
Tiarne: I think that had a lot to do with all the medication. Medication as well that I was on. And so it was causing a lot of brain fog. And now, yes, I do get brain fog, but not as much.
Yeah.
Tiarne: So, and also too, when I have really good days, I kind of [00:22:00] feel like, oh, do I really have & D? But then it kind of reads its ugly head.
It's like,
Detty: yep, you've done a little bit too much today. You sure do. And that's what I say sometimes. I'm like, when the good good's going, I go gangbusters and I'm guilty of this. 'cause you are meant to pace even when you are normal. Right. And then all of a sudden my body just shuts down and says, Nope, you are still unwell.
Bang. Like, oh, I do have FND mm. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Well, um, I think that's all that wanted to talk about today. Thank you so very much, Tianne. Um, if you want to, that's okay. If you want to listen to her story, I still have your, my reality, um, my FND reality story. Oh God. That's. Oh, I was just gonna say as well that, you know, with your FND, um, where it was at the very beginning, it's now completely different.
It changes over time. It's never really the same. So for, yeah, for all of those people who are [00:23:00] listening who are newly diagnosed, um, it does change. It does change. So it
Tiarne: can Yeah, though.
Um, so my presentation was my left sided. I had a full left side. My whole left side body was, I just wanted to give brief rundown. My full left side was completely, um, not working properly. I couldn't feel it properly, went to rehab and then while in rehab my, I had my whole body went completely paralyzed.
And then. So, you know, in between going from left sided to then full and now it's just predominantly my legs. Yes. And my bladder and bowel that cause issues. Some, and yeah. And every day is different for me, like with everyone. So, um, yeah.
And [00:24:00] also too, I think maybe, I think what helped as well, having major my assistant dog
walk an mm-hmm. Felt I.
Something to get me outside every day, because prior to, so when I went overseas with my husband, I was using my wheelchair. Ah, and one day I decided not to, I decided to just walk around just briefly.
Mm-hmm.
Tiarne: Um, New York just to feel how it would feel like I slipped over and nearly hurt myself. Which was quite funny.
Oh dear. Um, when I think about it now, yes. But the next day I knew I shouldn't have done that. But, um, yeah, I dunno, I just think you just do the best you can every day. Mm-hmm. Um, so, and don't feel bad when you have bad days, like, you know, [00:25:00] time.
Yeah.
Tiarne: So, yeah. So it's been, yeah, six years.
Detty: Well, thank you so very much.
That was the wonderful Tiarne, a huge thank you for sharing your experience with working with f and d. It's always so powerful to hear real stories from people in our community. Now, if you are curious to learn more about returning to the workforce with FND . don't forget to check out our episode with Katherine Gill from FND Australia support services.
The link is in the show notes. It's full of helpful insights on what to consider before making that step. Now, if you are also interested to hear more of Tannen's story, her my FND reality episode is also linked. Below where she opens up about her personal journey with f and d. So there's a lot to think about before diving into [00:26:00] volunteering or heading back to work.
If it's something you are exploring, I hope you are able to find something that feels right and safe for you. So even the smallest steps can be a huge big deal. So. Don't forget to stick around in the next episode. Stay tuned. We're finally catching up with Jess from the JJ segment and she also does talk about going back to work with her f and d, so I'm super excited about that one and I think you'll really enjoy it too.
So big love, and thanks again to Tiarne for sharing her experience with working and living with FND. We really appreciate you so much. Thank you for tuning in and. As always, stay safe, love hard, and peace, and I'll see you on the flip side. Bye for now. Thank you for tuning into another episode of the f and d podcast.
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